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Just for the record, Nisargadatta Maharaj & Ramana would say (did say) “Just realize that you are dreaming a dream you call the world. In your night dreams, so many actions and events take place, and while you are in the dream, they all seem real, with some actions seeming like you chose them and others that seem to just ‘happen to you,’ some seeming like ‘good’ choices and others seeming like mistakes…and with an apparent passage of time. Then you wake up, and Instantly see there was no ‘past’ or ‘future,’ 3 or 4 days worth of dream events were compressed into 20 minutes of REM sleep, neither “you” nor “God” chose any of it, and there was no particular ‘reason,’ to any of it. Now all you must do is realize this waking state is also just a dream you are dreaming.
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For realised souls the world is an apparent reality with Brahman as its substratum. But for us the world is a living reality. Hence the difference in the approach. Being indifferent to our actions yields better and expected results.
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but there is time in the waking world as well as the dream world. Thus certain preset life can happen in the waking world. There is time there! It is often people confuse the Absolute with the relative realm. I think there is a possibility for a fatalistic view.
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Yes, but there is time in the waking world as well as the dream world.
There is the illusion of time and some preset life that can happen to a ‘person’ in the waking world.
But what is your point you are trying to make?
All 8 billion characters know these things like time and personal life exist in the ‘relative’ world. There is also birth, death, joy, illness and suffering in the waking dream.
But this was an answer to the Absolute realm, and the Grandfathers who ‘awakened’ to That - Ramana and Nisargadatta.
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