Saturday, 25 October 2025

PRE-SPACE, BOHM, HILEY V BRAHMAN

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The terms "Pre-Space," "Bohm," and "Hiley" are central to a highly unconventional and sophisticated interpretation of quantum mechanics and a unified theory of reality, primarily developed by physicist David Bohm and his long-time collaborator, Basil Hiley.

Here is a bullet-point gist of their interconnected concepts:

1. David Bohm & Basil Hiley's Core Framework

  • Ontological Interpretation / Pilot-Wave Theory: Bohm and Hiley developed an alternative to the standard Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. It posits the existence of a real, definite particle whose motion is guided by an omnipresent Quantum Potential field.

  • Implicate and Explicate Order:

    • Implicate (or Enfolded) Order: A deeper, non-manifest realm of reality where everything is undivided and interconnected.1 This is the source of all things.

    • Explicate (or Unfolded) Order: The visible, manifest, fragmented world of distinct objects and particles that we experience.

    • The universe is seen as a constant movement (Holomovement)2 of enfolding and unfolding between these two orders.

2. Pre-Space (The Deeper Concept)

  • Pre-Space is the most radical concept proposed by Bohm and Hiley in their later work.

  • Definition: It is hypothesized to be a non-spatial, non-temporal algebraic structure that underlies both space-time and matter. It is a mathematical/conceptual domain out of which both the physical space and the particles in it emerge.

  • Motivation: They introduced Pre-Space as a deeper framework to address fundamental issues in physics, particularly the combination of quantum theory and relativity, which they felt could not be achieved within ordinary space-time concepts.

  • Connection to Implicate Order: Pre-Space is considered a more formal, mathematical description of the fundamental reality underlying the Implicate Order.

3. Connection to Consciousness

  • Bohm and Hiley's work often suggests a deep link between the fundamental nature of reality and consciousness.3

  • The Quantum Potential and the underlying Implicate Order are often discussed in terms of containing Active Information, suggesting a proto-mental quality that guides all matter, potentially bridging the gap between mind and matter.


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Excellent — now you’re reaching into the deepest layer of the comparison.

Both David Bohm’s “pre-space” (or pre-geometry) and the Vedantic notion of Brahman describe a dimensionless, timeless, undivided reality from which space, time, and matter emerge.
Let’s unpack this carefully and philosophically.


🌀 1. What Bohm Meant by “Pre-Space”

In Bohm’s later work (especially his 1980s–1990s writings), he went beyond even the “implicate order” and began speaking of something deeper still — which he sometimes called the “super-implicate order” or “pre-space”.

Concept Meaning
Pre-space A non-local, pre-geometric domain that is not spatial or temporal at all — space and time are derived phenomena that unfold from it.
Role in Reality It is the source field from which the implicate order itself arises — the “ground” of all enfolding and unfolding.
Analogy Like a quantum vacuum that is not empty but pregnant with all potential forms.
Implication Even the implicate/explicate distinction dissolves here — it’s a realm beyond distinction, beyond structure.

Bohm described this “pre-space” as “that which cannot be represented but from which representation arises.”

It’s the unmanifest background of all manifest phenomena.


🕉️ 2. Brahman in Vedanta

In Advaita Vedanta, Brahman is:

  • Formless, spaceless, timeless, and infinite.

  • Not an object within the universe but the very ground of being — the substratum of all existence and consciousness.

Concept Description
Brahman The absolute reality — beyond name, form, space, and time (desha-kala-nimitta).
Maya / Prakriti The principle by which Brahman appears as the manifest universe.
Creation Not creation ex nihilo but emanation — the unfolding of what is already implicit in Brahman.
Experience Realized directly through insight (jnana) — knowing “I am That” (Aham Brahmasmi).

From this standpoint, space and time are mental constructs — Brahman is the field within which they appear, but is not conditioned by them.


⚛️ 3. Parallels Between Pre-Space and Brahman

Theme Bohm’s “Pre-Space” Vedantic “Brahman”
Ontological Level The most fundamental order — beyond implicate and explicate. The absolute reality — beyond manifestation and illusion.
Nature Non-spatial, non-temporal, infinite potential. Spaceless, timeless, infinite consciousness.
Function Source of all manifest orders and physical laws. Source and substance of all existence and consciousness.
Relation to Space-Time Space-time is derived from pre-space. Space-time arises through Maya as appearance within Brahman.
Knowability Not directly representable by thought or mathematics. Beyond mind and language (neti neti — “not this, not that”).
Process of Manifestation Enfolding–unfolding dynamic gives rise to the explicate order. Brahman self-manifests as creation through Maya.
Wholeness All distinctions dissolve — reality as pure process. Non-dual reality — Advaita.

💡 4. Key Philosophical Resonance

Both Bohm and the Upanishadic seers intuited that:

The apparent “world in space” is not ultimate reality
but a projection from a deeper, spaceless unity.

  • Bohm calls this “pre-space”, an unbroken totality of potential.

  • Vedanta calls this “Brahman”, the infinite ground of being and consciousness.

In both views:

  • Space and time are emergent, not fundamental.

  • The universe is a dynamic revelation of something that transcends form.

  • Ultimate reality is wholeness without separation, beyond measure.


🌺 5. Subtle Distinction

Bohm Vedanta
He describes the process by which space, time, and matter unfold from a deeper order — a scientific metaphysics. Vedanta describes the essence of reality as pure being-consciousness — a spiritual metaphysics.
Consciousness may emerge from deeper implicate processes. Consciousness is the ultimate reality (Brahman).
Grounded in quantum theory and epistemology. Grounded in direct metaphysical realization.

So — Bohm’s “pre-space” could be seen as the dynamic face of Brahman,
whereas Brahman itself in Advaita is changeless, pure being — beyond even process.

If we use Hindu terms:

  • Brahman (Nirguna) — the unmanifest, absolute.

  • Shakti / Maya — the dynamic creative aspect (closest to Bohm’s “pre-space”).


🕯️ 6. Unified Vision

Both perspectives converge in a single intuition:

There is a dimensionless ground of being — beyond all space and time —
that continually gives rise to the universe of forms.

Or as the Mundaka Upanishad puts it:

“As sparks from a fire, so from Brahman arise all beings,
and into Brahman they return.”

And as Bohm wrote:

“The totality is not static but a dynamic wholeness in flowing movement,
the source of all that is manifest.”


Would you like me to create a visual cosmological map showing
Brahman ↔ Pre-Space ↔ Implicate Order ↔ Explicate Order,
illustrating how each level corresponds to the next?


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